Did Joab count 800,000 men in Israel and 500,000 in Judah, or 1,100,000 and 470,000?
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Joab reports 800,000 “valiant men that drew the sword” in Israel and 500,000 men of Judah.
And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
Chronicles gives 1,100,000 for all Israel and 470,000 for Judah, and adds that Joab did not count Levi and Benjamin.
And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. But Levi and Benjamin counted he not among them: for the king’s word was abominable to Joab.
Joab “began to number, but he finished not”, and the total was never entered in the chronicles of King David.
But David took not the number of them from twenty years old and under: because the Lord had said he would increase Israel like to the stars of the heavens. Joab the son of Zeruiah began to number, but he finished not, because there fell wrath for it against Israel; neither was the number put in the account of the chronicles of king David.
The objection
Both books report the result of the same census, taken by Joab for David. Samuel gives Israel 800,000 fighting men and Judah 500,000; Chronicles gives Israel 1,100,000 and Judah 470,000. Two records of one count ought to agree.
The answer
The two books are not quoting one exact official total, because there never was one. Chronicles says that Joab left out Levi and Benjamin (1 Chronicles 21:6), that he “began to number, but he finished not”, and that the number was never entered in the official chronicles of King David (1 Chronicles 27:24). What survived were round figures from an unfinished count, and the two writers report them by different categories.
For Israel, a long-standing explanation (Gill gives it from a Jewish writer) is that Chronicles includes David’s standing army and Samuel does not. 1 Chronicles 27:1–15 describes twelve divisions of 24,000 men, one on duty each month: 288,000 men, about 300,000 with their officers. Samuel’s 800,000 “valiant men” from the tribes, with the standing army and its officers added, comes to Chronicles’ 1,100,000. For Judah the gap is smaller, 30,000. Gill took Samuel’s 500,000 as a round number; another suggestion (below) is that it includes the men of Benjamin, Judah’s neighbour, whom Chronicles says Joab did not count. Keil and Delitzsch point out that all these figures are round numbers, so neither book claims a precision that the other contradicts.
Other answers Christians give
Seasoned troops and reserves
Gleason Archer suggested that Samuel’s 800,000 “valiant men” were experienced soldiers and that Chronicles counts every man of fighting age, including some 300,000 reserves. For Judah he took Samuel’s figure to include about 30,000 men of Benjamin and Chronicles’ figure to leave them out.
A copyist’s slip
Adam Clarke held that one set of figures had simply been miscopied, since numbers in the historical books suffered most in copying, and he declined to force a harmony.
Still open
Which reconstruction is right cannot be settled from the texts, since Scripture itself says that the count was never finished or recorded.
From the classic commentators
The numbers are not given by thousands, and therefore are only approximative statements in round numbers; and the difference in the two texts arose chiefly from the fact, that the statements were merely founded upon oral traditionKeil & Delitzsch, Commentary on 2 Samuel 24
the numbers of the standing army which waited on the king in their coursesJohn Gill, Exposition of the Bible: 2 Samuel 24 (1746–1763)
Sources
- Keil & Delitzsch, Commentary on 2 Samuel 24, at Bible Hub
- John Gill, Exposition of the Bible: 2 Samuel 24, at Bible Hub
- Adam Clarke, Commentary on 2 Samuel 24, at Bible Hub