Were the stars made after the earth, on the fourth day, or before the earth’s foundations were laid?
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On the fourth day God makes lights in the firmament, the greater and the lesser light: “he made the stars also”.
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
God asks Job where he was when the earth’s foundations were laid, “When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy”.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
The objection
Genesis 1 has the earth from the first verse and the stars only on the fourth day. But in Job 38 God says that “the morning stars sang together” when he laid the foundations of the earth, which seems to have the stars already there before the earth was made.
The answer
Job 38 is Hebrew poetry, whose lines usually go in pairs that say the same thing twice. “When the morning stars sang together” is matched by “and all the sons of God shouted for joy” (38:7). In Job ‘the sons of God’ are the angels who come before the Lord (Job 1:6; 2:1), so the ‘morning stars’ of the first line are most naturally the same beings, called stars for their brightness; Revelation too uses stars as a picture of angels (Revelation 1:20). Barnes thought there could be little doubt of it, and the Septuagint, the old Greek translation, renders the second line ‘all my angels praised me’. On this reading the verse says that the angels rejoiced as God founded the earth. It says nothing about when the stars of the sky were made, and Genesis 1 does not tell of the making of the angels at all.
Those who take the morning stars as real stars, as Delitzsch did, are still reading a poem, not a timetable. God pictures the making of the earth as the raising of a building, with its measurements, measuring line, foundations and cornerstone (38:4–6). Delitzsch compared the scene to the day the foundation of the temple was laid, when the priests and Levites “sang together” and all the people “shouted with a great shout” (Ezra 3:10–11): heaven celebrated the founding of the earth as men celebrate the founding of a great building. Its point is that Job was not there. The speech then ranges over the sea, the dawn, the snow and the stars of Pleiades and Orion (38:8–33) in no order of creation, and sets nothing against the order of days in Genesis 1.
Other answers Christians give
The stars made in the beginning
Many old-earth Christians read Genesis 1:1 as including the sun, moon and stars, and take the fourth day as the day they were appointed (or first seen from the earth’s surface) as lights and signs for days and years. On that view the stars existed before the earth was finished. Keil, who held that the stars were completed on the fourth day, still thought their material was made ‘in the beginning’ and formed side by side with the earth.
Stars on the fourth day, angels before
Young-earth writers such as Eric Lyons (Apologetics Press) hold that the sun, moon and stars were made on the fourth day. On that view Job 38:7 speaks of the angels; Got Questions, for example, takes the ‘morning stars’ there to be angels, already in existence when God laid the foundations of the earth.
Creation called to praise
Some take the morning stars as real stars pictured as singing, as all creation is called to praise God in Psalm 148:3: “praise him, all ye stars of light”. The poem then celebrates creation as a whole without dating any part of it.
Still open
Interpreters still differ over whether the morning stars are angels, real stars, or both, and Scripture does not say when the angels were made. The Septuagint, which makes the second line about angels, renders the first line ‘when the stars were made’, so it reads that line of the stars themselves. Christians also differ on whether Genesis 1:14–19 tells of the first making of the sun, moon and stars or of their appointment to their task; this site does not take a side on that question.
From the classic commentators
There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to … That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase "sons of God" in the other member of the verse.Albert Barnes, Notes on the Bible, on Job 38:7
Sources
- Albert Barnes, Notes on the Bible: Job 38, at Bible Hub
- John Gill, Exposition of the Bible: Job 38 (1746–1763), at Bible Hub
- Keil & Delitzsch, Commentary on Job 38, at Bible Hub
- Keil & Delitzsch, Commentary on Genesis 1, at Bible Hub
- The Septuagint (Brenton’s Greek text), Job 38